Khalif: Buddhism was created through a lot of meditation. What the people found out in the beginning was that if they were at peace, they could solve their problems very easily. And therefore, when they solved a problem, it was often misconstrued that they got the information from the Gods or whatever. So, going into meditation became the right thing to do. And the scholars of those days, even sometimes today, would go into a meditative state for long, long periods. Some would even shut themselves away into caves for 5, 10, 15 years, hoping to achieve a greater understanding of life and so on.
Now, from our point of view, what we could explain to them had to be explained step by step. And it cannot be explained to one person without them interacting with others, because again, there’s no positive, negative evolvement.
Khalif: So, they will sit and they will contemplate the same thing over and over and over again, trying to find a more definitive answer. Whereas what they should be doing is interacting with other people, getting their opinions, and then meditating on that, and then evolving.
S: And learning and growing from each other.
Khalif: Correct, yeah. So, what happened was, they came up with all sorts of ideas which were basically incorrect. But it was only when they had finished these long periods of meditation, and came up with a statement of this is how it should be, that it was then exposed and out there, and then people would meditate on that, and then they could find the positive, negative, and so on, and then they could evolve.
So, this took a long time, a big, big, big process. And it would go from one… There were basically monasteries, you’d call them, where these Buddhist monks would sit for hours in meditation, and their problem was that they didn’t interact with the people in the beginning. They were totally on their own, trying to achieve the ultimate goal, the ultimate understanding of life. And after many, literally centuries of doing that, only then did they decide to interact with the people and understand the people, only then could they understand the positive, negative, and see the balance. As you know, it’s Buddha who said, you must see both sides to point to see the balance. And that was only, well, not too long ago.
Khalif: So, that’s how that developed, and along the way, they came up with these theories of how many, well lately interpreted as heavens and hells, and they estimated, they wrongly guessed that there were different levels, or they wrongly interpreted that there were different levels of heaven and hell.
And what they really were being shown is, you know that there are different levels of what you would call heaven, because you generate, you evolve from one level to the next, your higher self goes up to the next level, and so on, as we’ve discussed. So, they got that part right, but then they got the hell part wrong, it was interpreted as hell. And basically what that was, is if you have total free will on earth, and you don’t make a success of it, then you will maybe take a step back. And that’s the way they saw it. If you were not successful, you had to go backwards.
Khalif: So, whatever happened during your life, if you ended up having a war with the tribe next door, for example, and you committed murder, or whatever, then you would take a step back, and have to be reincarnated, and do the same process over again, which in a way is correct, but because they didn’t have enough people to talk to and discuss it with and so on, and meditate the correct way, they got the interpretations wrong. So, that’s been corrected over the years, but still the beliefs passed down now are so strong, that they don’t consider changing it too much.
What they believe is, we’ve spent many centuries getting to this level of heavy meditation, and the main characters, Buddha himself and so on, have come up with these solutions, and we can’t sort of change them now. Their belief in that is so strong, and they don’t think so much about changing it. But what they do understand very clearly is how to interact with people, and how to look after one another, how to help one another, and they are basically living the correct way, living the right way.
Khalif: They haven’t been introduced to so much westernization, we would call it, and especially now in Tibet with the influence of China, things have been put on hold for a long time, so they’re not developing there either, but the history goes back for many, many centuries. Their thinking is very stable now, it’s very comfortable because they look after one another, and in the new, some time to come, once the influence of China is removed, and once they’re open far more to westernization, will they be able to teach other countries, other people, other religions, a more stable way of evolving.
S: Yeah, that makes sense.
Khalif: Mmm. Now, the poor people, just in Tibet as an example, they grow up helping each other, and there is not poverty as we would know it, there is a shortage of luxuries, but they live off nature mainly, and they don’t pay taxes or worry about careers and so on, and their enjoyment of life is far better than the western world, and they’re so used to living in what you would term as primitive conditions, but to counter living in those primitive conditions, they are very happy people, and they are very content people in the lot that they have, and of course everybody wants a little bit more, a little bit more luxury etc, but it doesn’t concern them, it doesn’t worry them at all. They’re quite happy just to, the majority are quite happy to just go through life, enjoying life.
S: Yeah, it doesn’t possess them.
Khalif: Yes, and helping each other. On the fringes of course, you do have the people who now want to go to university, or to drop out, you’ll always get those extremes, but that’s what they’re there for, to be the extremes.
Khalif: So, people can see the middle. Now, there was a mistake made a few days ago, when Geoff was talking about China, and it wasn’t China, it was Japan. Lol. Just slightly incorrect, the way they evolved, developed etc. It was Japan, but we shall go through that again. And what shall we look at next? I take it you’re comfortable going through things at this speed.